Why does no-one use hammers?? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Burakus Lightwing · Feb 23, 2006, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by fiery

Well hammers have slow damage but packs a big blow if you can pull off a good combo.

Yes. You need to really charge up that Adrenaline and then pull off a good Combo. An Axe can do the damage much quicker. Now with gale axe warriors, you really don't need that hammer. You can do great damage and carry a shield.

Nilator · Feb 23, 2006, 03:28 PM // 15:28

earthshaker+aftershock+crystal wave+earthquake=d-e-a-d
I use it in PvE.

RazielFirestorm · Feb 23, 2006, 03:30 PM // 15:30

there are 2 main reasons i dont use hammers in pve:

1. to a warrior, there is a big adavantage in having not just the +16 armour from the shield but the extra mods aswell e.g -2 dmg +45 hp. A hammer cuts the amount of mods a warrior would have as it is 2 handed, heres an example, when i use a victos axe with a victos bulwark i gain -2 dmg +60hp 10/10 sunder. if i used victos hammer i gain less than half the benefit of having 2 things in your hands. in pve it is more adavntageous to a warrior to be able to take more dmg and sacrifice your own output.
2. hammer attacks are not generally as good for pve as sword or axe, eg if u had a zealous hilt nd a multi hit attack you would be gaining enough energy for it to be worth while, with a hammer its just too slow to benefit you in the same way.

i do use hammer in pvp because it is effective against real players, pve monsters in general have more armour and target you for damage thus negating the hammer's effectiveness. in pvp hammers attacks are more useful. and in general people will not buy hammers, rather make one using a pvp slot so hammers dont sell too often unless you get a rich person to buy it.

striderkaaru · Feb 23, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

for pve, i'll throw out two skills for you guys to consider:
counter blow
belly smash

hammers can be effective in pve as well if you know how to use them properly. and in most cases, a hammer warrior provides excellent support. and hammers don't sell very well because the dedicated hammer warriors have enough sense not to pay 100k+ for a weapon.

Silvergun Superman · Feb 23, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54

hammers can deal lots of damage by using hammer skills properly and what not. ive use hammer before, i like the amount of damage it deals and the knockdown skills but the attacking rate is just too slow for my liking. this is one disadvantages of the hammer and why there arent many hammer warriors out there.

Soul Shaker · Feb 23, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Hammers become great with an elite. They generally suck in pve anywhere before that. Backbreaker...keep someone on their arse for 4 secs, you can get at least 2 other skills offo n em in that time (crushing blow, holy strike...), earthshaker rocks in PvE, monsters can't run from instant AoE, then combine that will an AS and you're set, devastating hammer is good, but you either have a choice of heavy blow, which can ruin your spike, but if used properly, you can slaughter, or hammer bash which is unconditional but it just plain sucks.

You'll see more hammers in PvP and only a few in PvE.

Francis Demeules · Feb 23, 2006, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by Soul Shaker

You'll see more hammers in PvP and only a few in PvE.

Agreed. Its almost 1/4 warriors who use the Hammer/Gale build.

For PvE, like the mesmers, we have few of them and we, players, thinking useless. But really, I say they still have a good place in PvE. I write you this little list about sword/axe VS hammer (maybe from others players too) to make some ''differences'' between them...... sorry for my english here

1)Hammers has the highest max damage weapon in game
2)Hammers are slower than Swords/Axes
3)Swords can start a combo with bleeding, Axes are deep wound and hammers are knock down or weakness
4)Swords/Axes can wield a shield, but not for Hammers because they're 2 handed
5)Hammers, unlike the others melee weapons, can blind ennemies which its useful against other warriors in PVP or melee creatures in PvE

Lord Iowerth · Feb 23, 2006, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by striderkaaru

And hammers don't sell very well because the dedicated hammer warriors have enough sense not to pay 100k+ for a weapon.

Shhh!! Don't give the hammer-sellers any bad ideas, Strider

aB- · Feb 23, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

Let's look at the main role of a warrior in PvE: Absorb Damage. Groups want stance tanks and warriors with as much defense as possible while they pummel the mobs with their attacks. When a warrior weilds a hammer, they lose the large armor bonus from a shield, and the damage reduction that comes with it. Now in a good group, some extra damage the warrior is taking isn't a problem for the monk to heal, and can even speed up the killing process. However, in an inexperienced group, problems can arise when your warrior is not reducing as much damage to himself as possible.

Feb 23, 2006, 03:28 PM // 15:28	#22
Nilator Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Profession: Mo/	earthshaker+aftershock+crystal wave+earthquake=d-e-a-d I use it in PvE.

Feb 23, 2006, 03:30 PM // 15:30	#23
RazielFirestorm Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Angels Symphonys [AnSy] Profession: D/A	there are 2 main reasons i dont use hammers in pve: 1. to a warrior, there is a big adavantage in having not just the +16 armour from the shield but the extra mods aswell e.g -2 dmg +45 hp. A hammer cuts the amount of mods a warrior would have as it is 2 handed, heres an example, when i use a victos axe with a victos bulwark i gain -2 dmg +60hp 10/10 sunder. if i used victos hammer i gain less than half the benefit of having 2 things in your hands. in pve it is more adavntageous to a warrior to be able to take more dmg and sacrifice your own output. 2. hammer attacks are not generally as good for pve as sword or axe, eg if u had a zealous hilt nd a multi hit attack you would be gaining enough energy for it to be worth while, with a hammer its just too slow to benefit you in the same way. i do use hammer in pvp because it is effective against real players, pve monsters in general have more armour and target you for damage thus negating the hammer's effectiveness. in pvp hammers attacks are more useful. and in general people will not buy hammers, rather make one using a pvp slot so hammers dont sell too often unless you get a rich person to buy it.

Feb 23, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07	#24
striderkaaru Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS], Retired Officer Profession: W/	for pve, i'll throw out two skills for you guys to consider: counter blow belly smash hammers can be effective in pve as well if you know how to use them properly. and in most cases, a hammer warrior provides excellent support. and hammers don't sell very well because the dedicated hammer warriors have enough sense not to pay 100k+ for a weapon.

Feb 23, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54	#25
Silvergun Superman Banned Join Date: Aug 2005	hammers can deal lots of damage by using hammer skills properly and what not. ive use hammer before, i like the amount of damage it deals and the knockdown skills but the attacking rate is just too slow for my liking. this is one disadvantages of the hammer and why there arent many hammer warriors out there.

Feb 23, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15	#26
Soul Shaker Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sunshine Coast, Australia Guild: Soul Crusaders	Hammers become great with an elite. They generally suck in pve anywhere before that. Backbreaker...keep someone on their arse for 4 secs, you can get at least 2 other skills offo n em in that time (crushing blow, holy strike...), earthshaker rocks in PvE, monsters can't run from instant AoE, then combine that will an AS and you're set, devastating hammer is good, but you either have a choice of heavy blow, which can ruin your spike, but if used properly, you can slaughter, or hammer bash which is unconditional but it just plain sucks. You'll see more hammers in PvP and only a few in PvE.

Feb 23, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43	#29
aB- Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005	Let's look at the main role of a warrior in PvE: Absorb Damage. Groups want stance tanks and warriors with as much defense as possible while they pummel the mobs with their attacks. When a warrior weilds a hammer, they lose the large armor bonus from a shield, and the damage reduction that comes with it. Now in a good group, some extra damage the warrior is taking isn't a problem for the monk to heal, and can even speed up the killing process. However, in an inexperienced group, problems can arise when your warrior is not reducing as much damage to himself as possible.